http://www.wowwiki.com/Sartharion

Twilight Drakes

    * Tenebron
          o Has aura: Power of Tenebron: Shadow damage taken increased by 100%
          o Appears approximately 15 seconds into the encounter, if left alive.

    * Shadron
          o Has aura: Power of Shadron: Fire damage taken increased by 100%.
          o Appears approximately 50 seconds into the encounter, if left alive.

    * Vesperon
          o Has aura: Power of Vesperon: Maximum health decreased by 25%.
          o Appears approximately 1 minute and 25 seconds into the encounter, if left alive.

Each drake can be taken down without engaging Sartharion. The achievements require leaving them up. If you do down them, they each drop a Emblem of Heroism/Emblem of Valor, but no other loot.


Vesperon and Shadron

Each drake fight is a typical spank and tank, but after 15-20s the drake will open a portal. One healer, one off tank, and all dps need to take the portal, leaving only the main tank and his healer behind. Much like phased content, you'll be in the same place (totems still exist where you left them), but instead of seeing the drake, you'll fight a disciple of X, depending on which drake it is. They have a shadow aura that reduces damage taken by 25%, but periodically pulses shadow damage to you.

The drake will take significantly less damage and deal 50% more damage until the disciple is killed, so it is imperative to kill the disciple as quickly as possible. Once that disciple is downed, all players in the alternate realm immediately return to the real world. The drake will continue to summon portals and disciples that must be killed until the drake dies.


Tenebron

Tenebron is similar to the first two drakes, except that in the alternate realm, instead of a disciple, you will encounter several eggs. The portal group will need to kill as many eggs as possible before reaching a time limit, at which point the eggs hatch, and everyone is reverted to the real world. Any unkilled eggs spawn whelps, which must be tanked and killed as quickly as possible, so that the DPS can return to the drake before the next portal appears. Each of the whelps can apply a stacking Fade Armor debuff, reducing armor by about 1200. Much better strategy for an undergeared group is to tank the adds WHOLE fight and let the DPS kill Tenebron. Whelps have a lot HP and trying to burn them down is an unnecessary burden.


The major drake of issue is Shadron since everything in the encounter is fire damage. Vesperon is less an issue as your raid is better geared.


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So there is no different portals. Whichever drake is still not killed, the eggs(Tenebron) and the disciples (Vesperon and Shadron) will be inside the alternate realm.  That is why we saw only 1 disciple with the first portal (coz Vesperon was not engaged yet) but 2 disciples later when both drakes were engaged.

One question coz I cant hear properly over the vent.  At some stage we just stop dps on the disciples.  When is that and why?

chee bai his fire breath so hiong can one shot tank one... knn

Wowwiki's information may well be unreliable but it lists Sartharion's flame breath as doing between 15k to 18k unresisted WITH Shadron's aura up which is much less than the 30k+ that was reported last night. There's still limited info on Sarth + drakes but I think Sarth/drakes get some kind of damage buff when the disciples are up so that could be what's causing the one-shots. Only solution to that is to kill the disciples fast and make sure there are never 2 up at the same time for an extended period of time. I just feel that there is some way around this as Echidna was able to do Sarth+3 the next reset after clearing all WOTLK content so I doubt their tanks would have had perfect sets. Sure they're skilled but skill can't prevent being one-shotted.

Another thing I think we need to work on is preventing the adds from touching the lava. 2 - 4 of the adds can spawn at once and if they all touch the lava the damage is probably not going to be healable with Shadron up. Sorry I wish I had a suggestion but there's probably no easy way to do this, the adds just have to be picked up fast and moved around quickly as and when the waves come. It may well be impossible to never have any adds enrage but keeping this minimised will reduce raid healing a lot and make it less likely that a single enraged add will one shot a dpser. Might also make sense to have ranged dpsers focus down enraged adds even if they are not generally on add control duty.

Edit: Think someone mentioned this before and I just read a post that reminded me. Apparently the enraged adds can be affected by tranq shots and anaesthetic poison. This will probably make the add tank's life easier (and longer!)

no emotes for fissure :x

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The Legacy vs Sartharion+3

http://files.filefront.com/TL+vs+sartharion+and+threswmv/;12464831;/fileinfo.html <-- not bad

Vodka vs Sartharion+3

http://files.filefront.com/vodka+vs+Sartharion+3+Drakes/;12473743;/fileinfo.html

both links from bosskillers

Ok guys, this is what I think we are doing wrong, and what we should do.
Feel free to critique / modify etc.

So what's killing us ?
1. Huge tank damage during portal phase
2. Fissures (indirectly)

1. How do we deal with the huge tank damage that we get during the portal phase ?
First of all, during portal we have the tanks + healers in the normal realm, while all dps, 1 healer and 1 tank in the shadow realm killing the disciple guy.
Currently we don't have any healer assignment for this phase, we basically do whatever. I'm don't have much experience in 25 men's, but I can suggest to have a designated pally healer / priest spamming heals for each tank, and maybe two on Sar's tanks (if all dps go into the portal, the portal phase shouldn't last more than 10-15 sec), Druid HoT tanks, and the shams concentrate on healing the healers (Of course can change this if tanks still take a lot of damage and the healers less). I think that during portal phase the fight turns into something like Patchwerk/Brutallus, where if we heal correctly and efficiently we shouldn't have so much trouble.
Sendai said he saw some nice info in maintankadin forums (link it you lazy bastard !) - but essentially they say that when portal phase starts, do any damage absorption you have on the MT (priest / pally damage absorption bubbles, earth-shields etc.). Also they used for Sar a druid / DK tank cause of their frequent damage reduction talents (Barkskin 12 sec duration 20% damage reduction each 1 min - should be used each portal phase or something, dunno about DK's bone shield).

2. What do we do about the fissure (and why do I bother discussing this and not just l2p).
I don't know if its because i'm colorblind, and red is like the least obvious color for me to see, but the frequent shift of my focus from the "Grid" ui to the game ui + trying to see where I am and if there is a fissure on me while having so many players/adds and spell effects there, reduces my healing efficiency by a significant portion (or gets me killed when I don't). If this is an issue for a lot of people on the raid, I suggest having one dps - preferably ranged with with an easy rotation - (e.g. juniormage of the horde aka jenny from the block) who's main job would be to serve as the "raid crier" who would shout in vent when shit happens. Basically he will concentrate on looking when fissure comes / portals pop etc. and call that event in raid. He will have his dps reduced, but if all the other members of the raid know they can focus on their job, and when fissure is called they look for a second and see if its on them or not, the overall raid efficiency will rise (And if they are all stacked properly on the adds OT, then just all the ranged group moves together a few steps with the OT and stack on him again).


In the following segment I will just describe how the raid should look like in my opinion:
A) Start of combat - boss is being tanked, raid dps down boss as much as it can while needing to avoid only the lava. Ranged all stack on the adds' OT (Like really stack - twins style, not just stand around him) which picks up adds and tries to maneuver them into lava gaps so they won't enrage, and calls for range dps to AoE them down when he feels that there are too many of them.
B) Drake comes. Hunter MD him to his Tanks, Healers settle into their assignments, but don't overheal too much. Crier calls when portal / fissures / lava are up. DPS goes on drake (unless called by adds-OT to kill the adds).
C) Portal is up (Can be noticed by all, but better that the Crier will call this too). Everyone stop dps, 1 healer, 1 tank and all dps go into portal to pewpew down the disciple (or eggs ) asap. On the outside realm tank and healers would be getting a lot of damage. Healers do damage reduction on MT and heal their assigned targets like mad (big heal spam on MT). We would need someone on the outside realm to call when there is a lava inc. So the people in the shadow realm would wait till its done before finishing off the disciple, in order to avoid getting back to the normal realm just in time to get a lava wave in the face.
D) Portal phase ends - back to phase B).

If this is too much of a TLDR, feel free to pst Abala and complain in length.

imo. good as short term solution, bad as long term solution.

you can be sure there will be future fights with high movement requirement.  l2do it now rather than later.
and i honestly mean this, not with a "l2play" elitist mentality.

i understand there's a shitload of stuff to look at and do, but thats the nature of this fight and thats why its hard.
and personally, i think if u cant see the red circle on the floor, u wont notice the symbol moving to tell u to move yourself.

now what we can do, is 1 person call portal, 1 person call fissure.  calling the fissure on vent > putting symbol on someone's head to follow.

/agree with zaob

This is primarily a fight (first time in wotlk) where individual focus is important.

1) Experienced raiders can get back on track to serious bzness (raiding challenging content). Personally I have been watching TV on and off since TK (tempest keep) because all the content is shit. If blizzard goes down this path of rewarding hardcore raids, vivace as a raiding guild would need to buckle up our seatbelts as well.

2) Good chance for new members to prove how useful they are in our core raid group. So do not take having raidspots in naxx 25 or the other current nonsense content now as a free ticket into the epix bus. If you have not been talked about (scolded) on vent before and have been playing your roles steadily and dependably in all raids, it is safe to assume you are doing a fantastic job.